[PLO 100-200] muttaja

[Dnbftw]

Re: [NL200 SH] muttaja

Esimene ja teine käsi sama HH.

[muttaja]

Re: [NL200 SH] muttaja

Täna mäng juba natuke parem kui üks flopi 3bet bluff, turni shove no-equity käega fišši vastu välja jätta... Järgneva käega jäin rahule :)

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
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BB: $222.10 (111.1 bb)
Hero (CO): $200.46 (100.2 bb)
BTN: $211 (105.5 bb)
SB: $204.60 (102.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A A
Hero raises to $5, BTN calls $5, SB raises to $24, BB folds, Hero calls $19, BTN calls $19

Flop: ($74) J 9 3 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $26, BTN folds, SB raises to $180.60 and is all-in, Hero calls $150.46 and is all-in

Turn: ($426.92) A (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($426.92) 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $426.92 pot ($1.50 rake)
Final Board: J 9 3 A 5
Hero showed A A and won $425.42 ($224.96 net)
BTN mucked and lost (-$24 net)
SB showed Q A and won $0.00 (-$200.46 net)

[muttaja]

Re: [NL200 SH] muttaja

See käsi aitas suure miinuse ära hoida:

Poker Stars, $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

MP: $1,243.20 (207.2 bb)
CO: $1,179.78 (196.6 bb)
BTN: $734.63 (122.4 bb)
Hero (SB): $639.39 (106.6 bb)
BB: $2,710.56 (451.8 bb)
UTG: $600 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T T
UTG raises to $15, 2 folds, BTN calls $15, Hero raises to $78, 2 folds, BTN calls $63

Flop: ($177) 8 J 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $656.63 and is all-in, Hero calls $561.39 and is all-in

Turn: ($1,299.78) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($1,299.78) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $1,299.78 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 8 J 9 K 6
BTN showed 9 7 and lost (-$639.39 net)
Hero showed T T and won $1,296.98 ($657.59 net)

[muttaja]

Re: [NL200 SH] muttaja

1.)Võeh, esimene käsi lauas. Samas ülejäänud 1400 käe kohta ei kaotanud kordai rohkem kui 50BB. Ja kokkuvõttes siis ka edukas sess.

Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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MP: $400 (100 bb)
CO: $447.02 (111.8 bb)
BTN: $517.71 (129.4 bb)
Hero (SB): $400 (100 bb)
BB: $835.88 (209 bb)
UTG: $406 (101.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 9
UTG folds, MP raises to $12, CO calls $12, BTN calls $12, Hero raises to $56, 3 folds, BTN calls $44

Flop: ($140) 9 A A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($140) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($140) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $84, BTN raises to $256, Hero raises to $344 and is all-in, BTN calls $88

Results: $828 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 9 A A T 7
BTN showed T T and won $825.20 ($425.20 net)
Hero showed 9 9 and lost (-$400 net)

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2. "pohh yolo"

Poker Stars, $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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Hero (SB): $646.24 (107.7 bb)
BB: $624.20 (104 bb)
MP: $452.67 (75.4 bb)
CO: $625.24 (104.2 bb)
BTN: $1,676.88 (279.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6 6
MP raises to $18, 2 folds, Hero calls $15, BB folds

Flop: ($42) 6 J T (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $24, Hero raises to $66, MP calls $42

Turn: ($174) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $132, MP calls $132

River: ($438) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $430.24 and is all-in, MP calls $236.67

Results: $911.34 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 6 J T 8 Q
Hero showed 6 6 and won $908.54 ($455.87 net)
MP showed A Q and lost (-$452.67 net)

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3. Eilsest üks kena hitt ka. Regulari call A4-ga wtf?

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $198 (99 bb)
BB: $200 (100 bb)
UTG: $257.75 (128.9 bb)
MP: $273.60 (136.8 bb)
CO: $295.72 (147.9 bb)
Hero (BTN): $291.57 (145.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7 5
UTG folds, MP calls $2, CO raises to $10, Hero calls $10, 2 folds, MP calls $8

Flop: ($33) A 3 4 (3 players)
MP checks, CO bets $30, Hero calls $30, MP calls $30

Turn: ($123) J (3 players)
MP checks, CO bets $100, Hero raises to $251.57 and is all-in, MP calls $233.60 and is all-in, CO calls $151.57

River: ($859.74) 2 (3 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $859.74 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: A 3 4 J 2
MP showed A J and lost (-$273.60 net)
CO showed 4 A and lost (-$291.57 net)
Hero showed 7 5 and won $856.94 ($565.37 net)

[muttaja]

Re: [NL200 SH] muttaja

Passiivse fišši vastu agressiivne liin

Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $409.67 (102.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $538.84 (134.7 bb)
UTG: $425.85 (106.5 bb)
MP: $513.74 (128.4 bb)
CO: $396 (99 bb)
BTN: $410.65 (102.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 8
UTG raises to $14, MP calls $14, 2 folds, SB calls $12, Hero calls $10

Flop: ($56) 8 A 2 (4 players)
SB bets $28, Hero raises to $76, 2 folds, SB calls $48

Turn: ($208) T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $140, SB calls $140

River: ($488) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $308.84, SB calls $179.67

Results: $847.34 pot ($2.15 rake)
Final Board: 8 A 2 T 5
SB showed A K and lost (-$409.67 net)
Hero showed 8 8 and won $845.19 ($435.52 net)

[timz0333]

Re: [NL200 SH] muttaja

Miks 4 way potis raised nii kuiva floppi?

[muttaja]

Re: [NL200 SH] muttaja

Ega see ei olegi standard. Tunne oli selline, et fiššile on tugev käsi ja saab stäkkidele mängida. Samas ta oli väga passiivne, niiet kartsin, kui flopil ei hakka ehitama, võin valuet kaotada. Vaevalt ka regularid hakkavad 4way väga bluffima, samas näiteks 2 paaritl saan ikka valuet.

[Majandaja]

Re: [NL200 SH] muttaja

Tekkis sama küsimus, mis Timzil. Ei karda turnil ühtegi kaarti ja riveriks saame rahad anyway sisse ju ilma ühegi tänava raisemata. Võimalik saada kummaltki teiselt mängijalt ka 1-2 tänavat valuet, kes hetkel flopil alla andsid peale donkbeti ja raise. Kui SB turni checkib, siis saad ise ülejäänud 2 tänavat barreldada.

[muttaja]

Re: [NL200 SH] muttaja

Tekkis sama küsimus, mis Timzil. Ei karda turnil ühtegi kaarti ja riveriks saame rahad anyway sisse ju ilma ühegi tänava raisemata. Võimalik saada kummaltki teiselt mängijalt ka 1-2 tänavat valuet, kes hetkel flopil alla andsid peale donkbeti ja raise. Kui SB turni checkib, siis saad ise ülejäänud 2 tänavat barreldada.

Siin supis on ikka rohkem komponente. Kas siis, kui ma nö ühtegi kaarti ei karda, ei tasugi tõsta? Mida regularid minu range'ist arvavad, kui ma seal tõstan (kus justkui "ei tohi" tõsta)? Kui suure tõenäosusega 4way flopil bluffitakse, st kas ma saan regularitelt mõne beti, kui neil midagi ei ole? Kas see võimalus kaalub üles võimaluse, et kaotan fišši vastu valuet? Aga otseloomulikult ei ole mu mäng siin balansseeritu, ja seetõttu teengi selliseid lükkeid väga harva ja just seetõttu käe siia postitasingi :)

[qjet]

Re: [NL200 SH] muttaja

75s pigem ei meeldi sinu shove seal, CO tulistab 2nd barrelit tugevalt vs 2 players ja sa shoved seal drawga lootes FE'd? raise juba flop siis, aga turn on küll awful

[KristjanLaas]

Re: [NL200 SH] muttaja

75s pigem ei meeldi sinu shove seal, CO tulistab 2nd barrelit tugevalt vs 2 players ja sa shoved seal drawga lootes FE'd? raise juba flop siis, aga turn on küll awful

Pyhaga eile rääkisime ka samal teemal, aga ei julgenud küsida ka:(

Tahtsin ka küsida, et miks shove seal. Milles eelised?

[muttaja]

Re: [NL200 SH] muttaja

Pyhaga eile rääkisime ka samal teemal, aga ei julgenud küsida ka:(

Tahtsin ka küsida, et miks shove seal. Milles eelised?

Ma usukusin, et mul seal fold equity täitsa olemas. Tugevat Ax-i võib regular vabalt fišši vastu bettida ning samas minu tõste peale foldida. Ei usu, et AK on seal häppi callima, ent kindlasti betib AK fišši vastu.

Kui mul seal calling range oleks, siis milline see välja näeks?

[muttaja]

Re: [NL200 SH] muttaja

1. Balansseeri veel ajudeta regi vastu 3beti ch-call range'i :S

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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CO: $213.39 (106.7 bb)
BTN: $204.78 (102.4 bb)
SB: $306.20 (153.1 bb)
Hero (BB): $216.10 (108.1 bb)
UTG: $83 (41.5 bb)
MP: $156.65 (78.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K K
3 folds, BTN raises to $4.20, SB folds, Hero raises to $14, BTN calls $9.80

Flop: ($29) 8 4 J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $18, Hero calls $18

Turn: ($65) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $44, Hero calls $44

River: ($153) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $128.78 and is all-in, Hero calls $128.78

Results: $410.56 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 8 4 J J A
BTN showed 6 9 and won $407.76 ($202.98 net)
Hero showed K K and lost (-$204.78 net)

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2. Üks positiivne käsi ka. Tegelt on mul siin peaa alati nuts, aga tolle tüübi vastu tasus proovida.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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MP: $200 (100 bb)
CO: $206 (103 bb)
BTN: $61.18 (30.6 bb)
Hero (SB): $207.37 (103.7 bb)
BB: $284.27 (142.1 bb)
UTG: $211 (105.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3 Q
4 folds, Hero raises to $5, BB calls $3

Flop: ($10) 4 5 K (2 players)
Hero bets $6, BB calls $6

Turn: ($22) A (2 players)
Hero bets $17, BB calls $17

River: ($56) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $40, Hero raises to $179.37 and is all-in, BB folds

Results: $136 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 4 5 K A K
Hero mucked 3 Q and won $133.20 ($65.20 net)
BB mucked and lost (-$68 net)

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2. Teine positiivne käsi siiski ka. Seepärast tulebki range'e tasakaalus hoida

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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BB: $200 (100 bb)
MP: $55 (27.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $229.50 (114.8 bb)
BTN: $200 (100 bb)
SB: $200 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K A
MP folds, Hero raises to $5, BTN folds, SB raises to $17, BB folds, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($36) 6 7 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($36) A (2 players)
SB bets $25.78, Hero calls $25.78

River: ($87.56) 8 (2 players)
SB bets $157.22 and is all-in, Hero calls $157.22

Results: $402 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 6 7 6 A 8
Hero showed K A and won $399.20 ($199.20 net)
SB showed T 8 and lost (-$200 net)

[overbet]

Re: [NL200 SH] muttaja

3betidki nii väikselt OOP?

[muttaja]

Re: [NL200 SH] muttaja

Ei, tegelikult mitte, kuna aga tegemist on minu arvates väga nõrga regulariga, siis tema vastu võib