OFFICIAL DONK PLAY THREAD

**-andres-** · 20.04.09, 11:45

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Algselt postitas Tuul

flopis bluffis, turnis andsid talle oma imeliku betiga juba flushdraw+gutshot oddsid
kokkuvõttes väga imelik mäng sul selles käes

Teema ongi ju Donk Play thread :).

**Tuul** · 20.04.09, 11:47

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whoooops, minu viga, loen postitusi 'show unread posts since last visit' kaudu ja ei pööranud teema pealkirjale tähelepanud, vabandan

**-andres-** · 20.04.09, 14:13

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Juhtub

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**jrgn hell** · 21.04.09, 00:48

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FTR Hand History Converter Output (intended for copying and pasting into poker forums!):
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

CO ($19.80)
Button ($29)
SB ($10.55)
BB ($23.65)
UTG ($13.40)
Hero (MP1) ($41.30)
MP2 ($25)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8, 8
UTG calls $0.25, Hero bets $1, 4 folds, BB raises $1.50, UTG calls $1.50, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($5.35) 10, 3, 8 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $3, BB calls $3, 1 fold

Turn: ($11.35) 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7.75, BB calls $7.75

River: ($26.85) 7 (2 players)
BB bets $11.15 (All-In), Hero calls $11.15

Total pot: $49.15

Results:
BB had 10, J (straight, Jack high).
Hero had 8, 8 (three of a kind, eights).
Outcome: BB won $46.80

tra nii n2rvi ajas se värdjas ja ei leidnud foldnuppu üles. Vittu, oleks pidanud foldima

**antnx** · 21.04.09, 08:16

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Mina oleks ikka callind.

**Rage** · 21.04.09, 20:54

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tuleb ennast häbiposti panna, muidu ei õpigi kunagi oma vigadest #¤%@£$€ :-[ :-(

Party Poker $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

iupiter (UTG+1): $24.40
eternal_bs (UTG+2): $24.65
Captnpules (MP1): $114.00
kboneil (MP2): $24.10
sikvietit (CO): $7.60
Hero (BTN): $25.40
Sabine20 (SB): $21.70
Mixxy (BB): $24.90
4stranger (UTG): $10.55

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with 2

2

3 folds, Captnpules calls $0.25, kboneil raises to $1.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.10, 2 folds, Captnpules calls $0.85

Flop: ($3.65) 2

T

3

(3 players)
Captnpules checks, kboneil bets $2.85, Hero raises to $7, Captnpules folds, kboneil raises to $23, Hero calls $16

Turn: ($49.65) 5

(2 players)

River: ($49.65) 2

(2 players)

Final Pot: $49.65
kboneil shows A

9

Hero shows 2

2

Hero wins $48.15
(Rake: $1.50)

Party Poker $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

iupiter (MP1): $28.88
Oswegonia (MP2): $24.75
Captnpules (CO): $90.31
kboneil (BTN): $70.11
sikvietit (SB): $8.50
Hero (BB): $57.00
Sabine20 (UTG): $24.65
Mixxy (UTG+1): $25.96
GLENNDOP (UTG+2): $21.40

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with Q

Q

1 fold, Mixxy raises to $1, GLENNDOP calls $1, 1 fold, Oswegonia calls $1, 1 fold, kboneil calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, GLENNDOP calls $5, Oswegonia calls $5, kboneil calls $5

Flop: ($25.10) J

2

7

(4 players)
Hero bets $15.00, GLENNDOP folds, Oswegonia folds, kboneil raises to $64.11, Hero calls $36 all in

Turn: ($127.10) 3

(2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($127.10) J

(2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $127.10
kboneil shows T

Q

Hero shows Q

Q

kboneil wins $112.49
(Rake: $14.61)

**Tupsik** · 21.04.09, 21:42

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Minu meelest 22 küll donk play ei ole.

Oli vaja 16 callida, mis on 32% potist, aga maja/neliku tulemise tõenäosus on 37%.
Lisaks veel oli võimalus, et tal ei olegi veel masti, mis hetkel oligi. Suurem set väike oht, aga kui oleks siis oleks.
Maha nüüd küll seal ei saa visata vast.

**Rage** · 21.04.09, 21:45

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see oli pigem eellugu sellele.. et võidan suurelt ja kaotan veel suuremalt:-D

**Tuul** · 21.04.09, 22:42

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($38.20)
MP2 ($18.95)
CO ($24.50)
Button ($27.55)
Tegin proovi (SB) ($25)
BB ($17.55)
UTG ($14.45)

Preflop: Tegin proovi is SB with K, 10
5 folds, Tegin proovi bets $0.75, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.50) K, 3, 6 (2 players)
Tegin proovi bets $0.25, BB raises to $1.50, Tegin proovi calls $1.25

Turn: ($4.50) Q (2 players)
Tegin proovi bets $0.25, BB raises to $2.50, Tegin proovi calls $2.25

River: ($9.50) 9 (2 players)
Tegin proovi bets $0.25, BB raises to $4, Tegin proovi calls $3.75

Total pot: $17.50 | Rake: $0.85

Results:
Tegin proovi had K, 10 (one pair, Kings).
BB had 2, A (high card, Ace).
Outcome: Tegin proovi won $16.65

**BuildUp** · 21.04.09, 23:39

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Tra küll. Nii donk play. Flopis liiga väike raise, no ja mis see turni shove veel tähendab ??? :-[

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($116.15)
MP2 ($106.50)
CO ($103)
Hero (Button) ($100)
SB ($104.10)
BB ($98.15)
UTG ($21.25)
UTG+1 ($94.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, 10
3 folds, CO bets $4, Hero calls $4, 3 folds

Flop: ($9.50) 10, Q, 2 (2 players)
CO bets $9, Hero raises $25, CO calls $16

Turn: ($59.50) 9 (2 players)
CO bets $46, Hero raises $71 (All-In), CO calls $25

River: ($201.50) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $201.50

Results:
Hero had Q, 10 (two pair, Queens and tens).
CO had K, J (straight, Ace high).
Outcome: CO won $198.50

**virx747** · 22.04.09, 11:58

Re: OFFICIAL DONK PLAY THREAD

Algselt postitas BuildUp

Tra küll. Nii donk play. Flopis liiga väike raise, no ja mis see turni shove veel tähendab ??? :-[

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($116.15)
MP2 ($106.50)
CO ($103)
Hero (Button) ($100)
SB ($104.10)
BB ($98.15)
UTG ($21.25)
UTG+1 ($94.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, 10
3 folds, CO bets $4, Hero calls $4, 3 folds

Flop: ($9.50) 10, Q, 2 (2 players)
CO bets $9, Hero raises $25, CO calls $16

Turn: ($59.50) 9 (2 players)
CO bets $46, Hero raises $71 (All-In), CO calls $25

River: ($201.50) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $201.50

Results:
Hero had Q, 10 (two pair, Queens and tens).
CO had K, J (straight, Ace high).
Outcome: CO won $198.50

Kas ikka oli niiväga kehv mäng?
Pakun välja, et ta oleks Su 3,5x reraise ka ära callinud.

Turni shovest:

võtsin Sinu käe aluseks ja sundisin ennast aru saama tõenäosuse arvutustest StoxPokeri ja PokerStove abil. Päris huvitav, kuigi veids keeruline.
Sain sellise tulemuse:

võtsin tema PFR rangeks 25%, arvestades, et ta võis CO-l ka stealimise katse teha.
Reaalsed käed, millega ta niimoodi mängiks ja StoxPokeri tulemused:

Postflop Analysis with a board of Th Qh 2c 9s

With known hole cards of Qd Td

All cards Total Combos = 222

AA - 22, AKs - A4s, AKo - A8o, KQs - K7s, KQo - KTo,
QJs - Q9s, QJo - QTo, JTs - J9s, JTo, T9s,

* Top Pair Combos = 24/222 Percent =10,81%
* Two Pair Combos = 6/222 Percent =2,7%
* Trips/Set Combos = 8/222 Percent =3,6%
* Flush Draw Combos = 13/222 Percent =5,86%
* OESD Combos = 35/222 Percent =15,77%

Analysis by Stoxpoker Combo. Available only at Stoxpoker.com

Ehk siis 39% juhtudest ta tõenäoliselt mängiks niimoodi.

Nüüd võtsin PokerStovest Equity väärtused:
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

11,748 games 0.005 secs 2,349,600 games/sec

Board: Th Qh 2c 9s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 78.941% 78.19% 00.75% 9186 88.00 { QdTd }
Hand 1: 21.059% 20.31% 00.75% 2386 88.00 { 22+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, A7o+, K9o+, Q9o+, JTo }

Ja panin need valemisse:
Profit $ = pot*tõenäosus et vastane foldib + tõenäosus et vastane mängib*meie equity* (pot+vastase call) - tõenäosus et vastane mängib*vastase equity*bet = $102

Ehk tehes sellist shove turnil on Su profit long runis iga käe pealt $102. Pole paha ju!

Palun kui keegi leiab siit loogika vigu või muidu mingit jama, siis parandage!
Pole varem sellist asja arvutanud.

**Pahvak** · 22.04.09, 12:18

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Ma ei jõua praegu valemisse süveneda. Aga profit on sama suur kui vastase esialgne stack, mis on veits kahtlane.

**virx747** · 22.04.09, 13:00

Re: OFFICIAL DONK PLAY THREAD

Algselt postitas Pahvak

Ma ei jõua praegu valemisse süveneda. Aga profit on sama suur kui vastase esialgne stack, mis on veits kahtlane.

Ajud suitsevad juba täiega!
Väike arvutusviga oli sees, profit on $98,7.
Aga siit tuleb ilmselt maha lahutada siiski meie bet $71, mis teeb meie shove ikkagi lung runis kasumlikuks, kuna 98,7 - 71 = +27,7

Oleks väga tänulik, kui keegi viitsiks ka süveneda, mul saab mingi koha peal mõistus otsa.

**Pahvak** · 22.04.09, 13:44

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Vaatasin üle ja su arvutuskäik on õigesti tehtud.

Kui peavad paika sinu eeldused:
vastane foldib shovele 61%
meie equity ca 78,9%
ja vastase ca 21,1%

Kuigi ilmselt sellises kohas vastane foldinupu nii tihti ei leia. Ja mis teeb selle muuvi nii kasumlikuks on see, et PF, FLOP ja vastase turnibet ajas suure osa rahast sisse. Seega on ehk fold equity ülehinnatud ja kui vastane pole moron e. ei commitinud ennast kogemata, siis ilmselt meie equity enam nii suur pole.

Sellised mõtted minu poolt, aga arvutus tundub kena :)

EDIT: seda -71$ enam maha ei pea võtma.

**virx747** · 22.04.09, 14:09

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Tänan!
Panin endale selle valemi Excelisse, siis on edaspidi hea näppida.
Huvitav, et kui me eeldame, et vastane 100% callib, siis selle valemi järgi on meie profit long run ikkagi $88.

OFFICIAL DONK PLAY THREAD

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