Sick grinder

[Juss7r]

Ei tea kas on juba olemas juttu sellisest mehest nagu rs03rs03. Pokerprolabsi järgi on ta viimase poole aasta jooksul mänginud yle 300k mängu. See teeb 50k mänge kuus. Mängib siis 1 daala don-e starsis. Mind pani mõtlema, et kuidas sellist volüümi saab saavutada ja kas pokerstarsis saab siis mängida ka 200+ turnat korraga. Igatahes haige kogus mänge. Sry kui teema offtopic, aga tahtsin väheke arutelu:)

[Timpz]

Re: Sick grinder

kui ma veel DONe pelasin sis ta ka pidevalt segas mind, väga solid mängija, lasi mingi 25-30 lauda vms

[Madis Very]

Re: Sick grinder

Kuidas ta saab ainult 25-30 lauda lasta kui ta teeb päevas average 1666mängu, või mängud kestavad mega lühikest aega ?

Viimase 90 päevaga teinud ta 187k mängu, wtf :D

[Juss7r]

Re: Sick grinder

jaa, viimase nädala jooksul on mänginud 20k mänge. See teeb keskmiselt 2850 mängu päevas. Oletame, et tal ei ole elu ja mängib 10 tundi päevas. See teeb 285 mängu tunnis...ulme:D. Mängib 1.10 daala turbo done ja 1.15 regular speed don-e. Seega pikimad mängud kestavad isegi 1h+

[Madis Very]

Re: Sick grinder

Pole bot:
Hello PokerStars Players,

(Klõpsa sisu nägemiseks / peitmiseks)

Please rest assured that we do not tolerate automated players (bots) on PokerStars. We have an extensive arsenal of detection tools in order to ensure that each player is a human being.

We have been monitoring and examining 'rs03rs03' using those tools for quite some time, and the player has always shown very human characteristics, and an ability to pass various tests, including CAPTCHA and many others. Despite this, we, too, have been concerned with the seemingly astonishing volume of play exhibited by this player, especially in recent weeks as his volume has increased dramatically.

As such, we recently froze his account and asked the player for a controlled demonstration, and the player agreed. We dispatched a PokerStars representative to the player's home to observe several hours of play on June 1st, 2010. That observation convinced us that the player is not using a bot.

We cannot violate the player's privacy -- the player has asked to remain anonymous, and not to discuss their strategy. However, among our observations:

1) The player uses a set of self-written hotkeys similar to many commercially available suites (TableNinja.com comes to mind).

- The hotkeys manage automatically joining tables without regard to opponent selection
- The hotkeys close unnecessary popups like "It is free to check", automatically
- The hotkeys require the player to enter every bet, raise, check, or fold manually

2) Both in prior play, and during our in-person observation, we witnessed many "mistakes", such as pre-flop folds of AA and KK.

3) The player was able to verbally chat with our representative during play, while continuing to play.

4) We took video of the play at various times, and conducted tests at various times during the observation (such as unexpectedly asking the player to remove their hands from they keyboard, to observe whether play stopped... and it did).

We observed well over 3 hours of play, and then compared the play we observed to historical records of past play. We cannot divulge exactly what we compared, though we can say that it did include comparing his hand selection, action timing, and many other aspects. The resulting comparison very strongly indicates that the prior play is statistically identical to the observed play.

In short, our bot detection tools have borne themselves out here very nicely. The tools always indicated that the player appeared human despite ever-increasing hours of play and concurrent tables. Now, through our observations, we've independently confirmed those findings.

Please rest assured that PokerStars remains vigilant in proactively hunting for bots. We will continue to review players of concern with our tools, and continue to enhance those tools to ensure that PokerStars remains as free of bots as possible. When we find bots, we remove them from our games. We are pleased to report, however, that 'rs03rs03' is human.

Best Regards,

Jeff
PokerStars Game Security

P.S. To address the numbers posted by TeamTrousers, I can say they are slightly off. You erred in assuming 175 tables per hour = 175 concurrent tables. The average DON does not last one hour. Also, your estimate of 225,000 hands is slightly high. The true number is closer to 100,000 hands. (Perhaps it would be 40 hands per game if they won every event, but that would be a feat even more impressive than 120-tabling!).

In the end, rs03rs03 averages 120 tables at once when at full speed, playing about 100,000 hands over the course of about 55,800 seconds. That's about 1.8 hands per second (slightly more actions, though, since some hands are multi-decision). Again, we cannot violate the player's privacy and explain their strategy, but they did demonstrate it for us, and it agrees with observation and explains how they can make so many decisions so quickly.

how the fak

[KristjanLaas]

Re: Sick grinder

Temast on jah päris palju topicuid tehtud netis. Isegi siia mõni.

Aga kuna ta on chink siis ma isegi ei imesta, et ta nii segast teeb.Kuigi imo peaks ta ikka bot olema ju loogiliselt.

[Priidix]

Re: Sick grinder

Mängin temaga päevast päeva don-e, arvan , et ta pannud tähele ka ,et ma olen muutunud regulariks seal. Tema vastu on õnneks lihtne ja hea mängida, tema aitab mind , mina teda, kuigi alati kipub nii olema kui tema pushib siis mul on kahjuks 2good hand 2 fold:(. See poiss on põhiliselt 20h tundi starsis ja 4 tundi magab sellest. (arvan muidugi et selle kasutaja taga kuskil 2-3 kutti kes kontot jagavad ja aktiivselt seal mängivad) Too võiks msnni jagada:D

[IamAllin]

Re: Sick grinder

Mängin temaga päevast päeva don-e, arvan , et ta pannud tähele ka ,et ma olen muutunud regulariks seal. Tema vastu on õnneks lihtne ja hea mängida, tema aitab mind , mina teda, kuigi alati kipub nii olema kui tema pushib siis mul on kahjuks 2good hand 2 fold:(. See poiss on põhiliselt 20h tundi starsis ja 4 tundi magab sellest. (arvan muidugi et selle kasutaja taga kuskil 2-3 kutti kes kontot jagavad ja aktiivselt seal mängivad) Too võiks msnni jagada:D

kuidas ta on sind tähele pannud, kui ta mängib 1.8 kätt per second?

[imthcplant]

Re: Sick grinder

1.8 hand per sec.... umm easy... suudan AT LEAST SAMA...Aga ainuklt Donides....
Teab keegi kui võitev möngija ta on ???

[imthcplant]

Re: Sick grinder

Nt 1000 don mitu ta neist cashib...,.

[Tarq666]

Re: Sick grinder

Username Games Played Av. Profit Av. Stake Av. ROI Total Profit Form Ability /100 Network Filter
rs03rs03 348.844 $0 $1 0% $820 - N/A PokerStars Year2010 SNG Only


ja reiki maksnud üle 42000$

[nalg]

Re: Sick grinder

olen isegi temaga mänginud kunagi päris ammu $1 don-e. noteks olen pannud: "regular $1 DON mängija, algul väga tight, lõppfaasis loose, kuid üldiselt mängib ainult väga häid käsi" :D

but, still sick human!

[andu_andu]

Re: Sick grinder

minu Hero

[oTT]

Re: Sick grinder

ja see on tõesti sick vend. ise ka kui neid done multitablesin mingi kevade alguses, vend oli koguaeg lauas. Nüüd hiljuti tegin jälle neid done ja ikka vend igas lauas.

[Priidix]

Re: Sick grinder

ta on neid pannud mingi üle aasta võimalik ka et mitu aastat, 55% peaks cashima.